tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post741088258941288707..comments2023-11-25T01:16:22.368+00:00Comments on DAILY REFERENDUM: Personal Carbon Credits - Are they mad?Daily Referendumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899003349232334603noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-57926827684093163002008-08-28T05:07:00.000+01:002008-08-28T05:07:00.000+01:00I can see it now, can anyone say openly traded com...I can see it now, can anyone say openly traded commodity. It wouldnt be the first time for people to want to make money off others misery... It seems the perfect fix though for the most extreme environut, it should kill many people because farmers will grow less food because these credits will get prohibitively expensive, ie less food production. extreme environuts = less people when you give them your way. Just watch the show on Nat Geo highlighting what would happen with planet earth if every human all of sudden just dissapeared...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-90687101632685529782008-08-03T04:18:00.000+01:002008-08-03T04:18:00.000+01:00How much carbon credit would I get for putting eve...How much carbon credit would I get for putting every MP on a bonfire and setting it alight? I figure I should get a credit because the carbon cost of burning the wood between their ears would be more than offset by the subsequent reduction in hot air emanations from Westminster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-64940268286115872252008-05-30T23:19:00.000+01:002008-05-30T23:19:00.000+01:00This seemed such a mad idea that cynical old me as...This seemed such a mad idea that cynical old me assumed there must be some other motive behind it. Goodness knows what it might be though. My best guess is this …the government are believers in “peak oil” theory and expect world energy prices to sky rocket (oil at $200 barrel or more). With a system of Personal Carbon Credits they would have in place a ready made rationing system that does not depend on price alone. <BR/><BR/>No doubt another giant national database that costs a fortune to run and lurches from crisis to crisis. I agree that it would probably cost several billion per annum to run (100 quid each per year?).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-18088224924018617982008-05-28T01:33:00.000+01:002008-05-28T01:33:00.000+01:00Dave,I'm an American and I just heard about this i...Dave,<BR/>I'm an American and I just heard about this idea from a radio talk show host here in New York. I didn't believe that any "democracy" could even contemplate such a communistic idea as this. I had to type "personal carbon credits" into Google to see if it is for real, and I found your blog. <BR/><BR/>Global warming is a global scheme for people like our Al Gore to profit from and to control the population. After all what happens if you don't report all of your carbon use? Do they lock you in prision? Why would they stop at carbon. If they can control how much energy we use, why not control how much food we can eat? After all, there's apparently a global food shortage as well. George Orwell was 25 years to early when he wrote 1984. I can't believe that people are foolish enough to fall for these ideas.<BR/><BR/>I hope you all fight to shoot this idea down before it gains momentum, and some power hungry politician tries it over here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-25081353579724024132008-05-27T22:06:00.000+01:002008-05-27T22:06:00.000+01:00Dave,Only if you declare them. I have been known ...Dave,<BR/><BR/>Only if you declare them. I have been known to claim some of mine.Daily Referendumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899003349232334603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-61019981163963600912008-05-27T22:05:00.000+01:002008-05-27T22:05:00.000+01:00Trevorsden,When I said Labour, I was referring to ...Trevorsden,<BR/><BR/>When I said Labour, I was referring to this from the BBC news: <BR/><BR/>Climate Change Minister Joan Ruddock said work on personal carbon trading had not been completely abandoned. <BR/><BR/>"We have simply decided not to undertake further work paid for by the taxpayer when a number of other studies are under way," <BR/><BR/>So if this is not being studied by the government, I take it some private firms are coming up with a solution. No doubt there will be money to be made for a middle-man.Daily Referendumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899003349232334603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-82901584375159790742008-05-27T21:25:00.000+01:002008-05-27T21:25:00.000+01:00You say i think 'labour' idea.but this comes from ...You say i think 'labour' idea.<BR/><BR/>but this comes from a committee sadly to relate chared by well known Tory Tim Yeo.<BR/><BR/>I might have added 'well known Tory numpty Tim Yeo' but the point is still the same.<BR/><BR/>Super green Hillary Benn has said he sees problems and thinks it unlikely etc etc. So has Tory environment spokesman.<BR/><BR/>This Committee report is indicative of MPs having nothing better to do with what limited brain power they have and a good pointer to the fact that we could do with less of them to fund some pay rise to put an end to all this expenses gibberish.<BR/><BR/>Its got to be totally embarrassing that Yeo is behind it. He should stick to writing about golf. Deselection beckons - maybe he can take up residence in one of his own care homes..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-7444819345051372252008-05-27T17:35:00.000+01:002008-05-27T17:35:00.000+01:00any trading scheme has a trader sitting in the mid...any trading scheme has a trader sitting in the middle creaming off most of the money and rigging the market, this is no different.<BR/>The oil 'crisis' is result of 'trading'haddockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01890864334999930139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-90787767553120318702008-05-27T13:54:00.000+01:002008-05-27T13:54:00.000+01:00Do I lose points if I fart?Do I lose points if I fart?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00448711775318691029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-70620537328694693542008-05-27T13:40:00.000+01:002008-05-27T13:40:00.000+01:00control,control control.control,control control.Thudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18320037763190473684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-38212231337727159292008-05-27T13:06:00.000+01:002008-05-27T13:06:00.000+01:00We should take into account two factors. First the...We should take into account two factors. First the introduction of a personal carbon trading system would do wonders for the already nearly full employment we have. Armies of workers will be needed to administer the scheme. It could justify a further cabinet minister and a new state department. Devolved nations would need to copy the administration, and regional and local committees down to parish level may follow. For socialist MPs expected to lose thair seats at the next election there would be several new Quangos needing well paid chairpersons.<BR/>Secondly a further layer of workers would be required to administer the expenses claims of the other tier, More employees in the treasury arm of the civil service would follow as day follows night. Furthermore a vast new computer system will be needed ensuring years of lucrative work for selected friends of NuLab to benefit from.<BR/>It would also give a lot of work to the House of Commons, and would help to justify their continued existance despite abrogation of all their powers to Brussels.<BR/>Moreover almost all this huge increase in unproductive working population could be recruited through the columns of the Guardian thus ensuring a continuation of the massive client state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-8841053520876263752008-05-27T10:24:00.000+01:002008-05-27T10:24:00.000+01:00LFAT,Yes it all sounds very nice but you are missi...LFAT,<BR/><BR/>Yes it all sounds very nice but you are missing the point. We already pay more tax for the polution we cause. When we use more fuel in our homes we pay more tax. When we drive bigger cars we pay more car tax and tax on the fuel we use - which just happens to be the highest in Europe. When will it end? It just opens the door for another level of bloody beaurocracyDaily Referendumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899003349232334603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-27956911815846679062008-05-27T10:10:00.000+01:002008-05-27T10:10:00.000+01:00Sorry, disagree with you Steve. Carbon trading ha...Sorry, disagree with you Steve. Carbon trading has operated for business in the EU for quite some time, and while it should be expanded to pollution trading it is not without merit.<BR/><BR/>When making our decisions about driving, flying or getting the train, we should be made to internalise the cost we place on society through pollution. A pollution credit trading scheme would mean that people who don't pollute get paid (literally) for selling their credits while those who pollute heavily have to pay more.Letters From A Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14612766550608940053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-57689259370984980682008-05-27T09:20:00.000+01:002008-05-27T09:20:00.000+01:00Welcome to the "second car and spare room" tax. Th...Welcome to the "second car and spare room" tax. This one is right up there with the window tax.<BR/><BR/>It is workable now without a massive additional data gathering operation as follows<BR/>1. Personal Carbon Allowance at birth<BR/>2. Carbon Points deducted for number / size of car (points per car table) - Complicated rebate system for essential car users that needs to be applied for quarterly.<BR/>3. Carbon Points deducted for under occupation of houses. Arbitrary points on poll tax bandings with complicated rebate system for families that needs to be applied for quarterly.<BR/><BR/>System balanced so that the allowances of Mum, Dad & 2 kids are wiped out by a family saloon and a three bedroomed house. Any body running two cars or with a spare room gets clobbered. Works in line with the current ethos of taking your money and then making you ask for it back<BR/><BR/>Hey presto HMG have found another way into your pocketsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-71425788601606529892008-05-27T09:02:00.000+01:002008-05-27T09:02:00.000+01:00we used to have a buff coloured booklet to take to...we used to have a buff coloured booklet to take to the shops, the 'coupons' or 'points' were cut out with scissors. Not a computer in sight..... and being poor we could not afford sweets but could swap unused sweet points with rich kids for some of their sweets. That's how it used to work, nowadays there would need to be an extra tier in the model to allow for MPs or their mates to make a fortune on the dealings.haddockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01890864334999930139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8149296713213520917.post-78767318840723734392008-05-27T08:49:00.000+01:002008-05-27T08:49:00.000+01:00Why would MPs care about how this works, and the p...Why would MPs care about how this works, and the pain it might case the people?<BR/><BR/>They will, of course, be exempt.Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445624135697167219noreply@blogger.com